Comments on: Getting digs in: On the 6/11 SE Utah artifact raids

By: Patricia

Patricia — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:15:19 +0000

I appreciate your interest, Lora. This topic is becoming a big one for me, it matters how others react to it.

And thanks for the link.

By: Lora

Lora — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:31:26 +0000

I just want you to know I’ve come back several times to re read this post. I added a link to it on my Facebook page. Thanks for being a kind of advocate for some of us non-desert wildlife, too.

By: The Downstream Principle of Language | Times & Seasons, An Onymous Mormon Blog

Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:02:04 +0000

[...] other small evidence of sagebrush rebellion. Since the June raid, I’ve met nobody (except for these two ladies, who came to the canyon days after the raid but had no idea what had happened). Tracks in the dirt [...]

By: Patricia

Patricia — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:08:17 +0000

I guess I am a part of things. Maybe a kind of witness, somebody caught up in circumstances by tricks of timing and proximity.

What I do know is that I have a lot to learn about what’s going on. Now that I’m here, I want to understand as much as possible.

By: greenfrog

greenfrog — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:19:12 +0000

How about a “beneather”? :-)

Or maybe just “a part of things”

By: Patricia

Patricia — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:24:18 +0000

Yes, and I used to think I understood all there was to it. “Territorialism,” I thought. Defense of “mine” against others. Only recently have I begun to see the active exploitational elements of the language involved. Seeing another depth to it has taught me an important lesson about presuming to know what something means.

In trying to imagine how to avoid the problem in my own thinking (just this weekend I identified myself to a group as an “outsider”), I’m thinking I might try identifying myself as a “besider.” Or maybe an “alongsider.”

By: greenfrog

greenfrog — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:01:01 +0000

How easily we slip into the insider/outsider construct.

By: Patricia

Patricia — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:51:15 +0000

If we were in complete agreement on things, discussions would be far less interesting and certainly less productive. Yep. When people reach agreement, then the thinking has been done. ;-) BTW, for anybody wanting more context for my remarks re: Amy Irvine's Trespass, go here. (Link in "here".)

By: Jim Cobabe

Jim Cobabe — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:26:47 +0000

Patricia,

I always appreciate your responses. If we were in complete agreement on things, discussions would be far less interesting and certainly less productive.

Yet we can agree, I think, that people who feel so strongly about the raids that they take their own life are an indication of something gone awry. Why the heavy-handed tactics? There is no measure of justice here that justifies destroying living human life to save a few ancient relics.

By: Patricia

Patricia — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:01:00 +0000

Sorry Jim. That was probably more than you wanted to hear from me.

;-)